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    Wiring is finished, crossmember paint is done. On to the mechanical side!
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    So for the first time since April 13, the Firebird went for a drive. Fired it up yesterday after doing the T-56 swap, took a lot longer to do than anticipated, but it is done!

    Need to re-tune it and do some final adjustments along with putting the rest of the interior back in the car but I am happy to see the car running.
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    So for the first time since April 13, the Firebird went for a drive. Fired it up yesterday after doing the T-56 swap, took a lot longer to do than anticipated, but it is done!

    Need to re-tune it and do some final adjustments along with putting the rest of the interior back in the car but I am happy to see the car running.
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    Congrats!

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    Nice, how does it feel so far? Thats fucking badass bud, glad to hear its done. congrats
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    Go DANE GO! Awesome to hear you finally got to drive it!
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    I'm interested to see how it runs for you. I better it felt good to have it on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forced_Firebird View Post
    Vids or it didn't happen.
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    Sweet

    +2 for vids, I want it banging into gears
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    BAM.

    Now Dane, got get in your car and take a video.

    Oh, BTW, I still have that $1 bill you signed glued to the shop fridge. I look at it often and remember being a guy in his home garage working part time at a machine shop who built a (very tiny) empire

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    Video will come soon. No banging gears yet, doing the break-in driving and I gotta get the PCM reflashed to manual trans setting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarShrike View Post
    Mine is the M12 T56 out of the GTO as well so the gear ratios will work even better in my favor.
    F-body: 2.66 1.78 1.30 1.00 .74 .51
    GTO: 2.97 2.07 1.43 1.00 .84 .57

    Not sure on the T5 ratios.
    dunno how i missed this. t5 Ratios from 1993-2002 are as follows (yes, really - the 1st gear on the t-5 is 3.75:1):
    3.75(1) :: 2.19(2) :: 1.41(3) :: 1.00(4) :: .72(5) :: N/A(6) :: 3.53 (R)

    comparing that, not a huge jump except for first gear (might be a bit sluggish):
    3.75(1) :: 2.19(2) :: 1.41(3) :: 1.00(4) :: .72(5) :: N/A(6) :: 3.53 (R) | (F-body T-5)
    2.97(1) :: 2.07(2) :: 1.43(3) :: 1.00(4) :: .84(5) :: .57(6) :: 2.90 (R) | (GTO T-56)

    All in all, it looks like the GTO T-56 wouldn't be that much different except for the first gear takeoff (might need a little more pedal force to get the car moving). Going even farther, this is the gearing in the auto in the 1993-2002 v6 F-Body:
    3.06(1) :: 1.63(2) :: 1.00(3) :: 0.70(4) :: N/A(5) :: N/A(6) :: 2.29 (R)

    So apparently it's feasible - just would have a slower takeoff going from t5->t56 for manual owners.

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    Haven't seen any updates to this recently - I'm actually interested in tossing a T56 into my car (cause the 3.42 rear + t5 gearing puts me @ 3000rpm around 70 mph (ugh..loud and noticable and not fuel friendly)) -- thinking about using a 93 T56 if the bolt pattern still works (not sure how the M28 would hold power, but the t5 is only good for 230 lb-ft so anything has to be better...

    93-02 F-Body T5 vs 1993 F-Body T56 (M28):
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    F-body T-5          3.75(1) :: 2.19(2) :: 1.41(3) :: 1.00(4) :: .72(5) :: N/A(6) :: 3.53 (R) 
    F-body T56 (M28)    3.66(1) :: 2.07(2) :: 1.35(3) :: 1.00(4) :: .80(5) :: .62(6) :: 3.53 (R)
    Forgive me if this is a stupid question and PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong, but this basically lets you use the t56 with it's bellhousing without having to use the t5 bellhousing in any way/shape/form - correct?

    Still doing some research. Thx

    -R

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    Engine > Adapter plate > T56 bellhousing > T56 > driveshaft > rear end > tires > SMOKY BURNOUT!

    Yeah you got it right. I haven't had time to do any updates or a write up because I have been flat out busy, but I'll have a week of downtime and I'm getting a new high quality camera so hopefully I can take some good pictures of the underside of the car to show what else is going on.

    I don't know about the spline count on the LT1 T56, but the LS1 F-body and GTO T-56 has the same spline count as the V6 T5, so you can use a stock clutch.
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