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    how much boost can a stock v6 3800 series camaro stand

    i have a camaro and i was wondering how much it could stand without messing up my car because its my daily. and how much it would cost for a good system.

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    A better question is, "How many supporting mods do you have to compliment your engine?" Without larger injectors and a decent tune it doesn't matter because any motor can grenade easily!

    With the basic stuff I would say 10 psi easily. Some folks have been alot higher...

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    Quote Originally Posted by camaro30eight View Post
    i have a camaro and i was wondering how much it could stand without messing up my car because its my daily. and how much it would cost for a good system.
    6- 10,000 for a good one all done. 2-3,000 for shitty components.

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    I was running a turbonetics T72 and I was putting 15psi daily through it, for over a year with the occasional 18psi here and there...

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    20psi as long as the tune is perfect.

    I drive around on 14-15psi. Any higher wouldn't be as streetable. (It's tuned for the 14-15psi)

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    Hey Meemperor, How long have you been running the Cartuning kit? What supporting mods do you have? PM me if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2OEQIP View Post
    6- 10,000 for a good one all done. 2-3,000 for shitty components.

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    6 to 10 grand? Who are you guys paying to build your stuff? I could duplicate my camaro turbo system including a name brand turbo, fuel system, intercooler and labor for 3500 bucks. Thats anybodys deal straight thru the front door of my shop and 40 bucks/hour labor rate. If you cheated on the intercooler and went with an Ebay item, the rest of the parts might bump 2 grand. That leaves 37.5 hrs to build it and still be under 3500 bucks. Even at 6 grand i'd be scared of burning in hell for being such a crook . LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by trb0355 View Post
    6 to 10 grand? Who are you guys paying to build your stuff? I could duplicate my camaro turbo system including a name brand turbo, fuel system, intercooler and labor for 3500 bucks. Thats anybodys deal straight thru the front door of my shop and 40 bucks/hour labor rate. If you cheated on the intercooler and went with an Ebay item, the rest of the parts might bump 2 grand. That leaves 37.5 hrs to build it and still be under 3500 bucks. Even at 6 grand i'd be scared of burning in hell for being such a crook . LOL
    Now thats funny... I believe that you can source your own parts and create a simple front mount kit capable of 10 psi for less than that if you can do all the work yourself and have all the tools. It shouldn't cost more than $2500 including a tune and quality parts. $3500 is still a great deal if you have the skills and time to make a kit for a customer.

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    Man I wish it were possible to get a kit installed / out the door for $3500 when I was screwing around with this. Also, seems like most places around here are more like double that cost for labor.

    At any rate, the more junkyard parts you use the cheaper the build can get. If you already have access to a machine shop and welding then that also helps. But I think it is difficult to come in under $3500 for parts if you are using quality parts and are actually including all of the parts that you need... itemize it out.

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    you get what you pay for. simple as that.

    making the effort to go turbo and walking away with a simple (up to) 10lbs isnt worth it.

    heck, it doesnt even become fun until 18..that's when the forethought and extra effort comes in.
    18 to 20 is where the sweet spot is for our DD 3800's.
    above that you better have your ducks in a row.

    just my opinion. fwiw
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    As for the money thing we're talking about, I agree with the "cheap, fast, reliable" thing, I went for "fast and reliable". I'm in at least $7000 now, probably more (but at this point I don't want to know, lol). By the time I'm done with the details and dyno tuned, probably going to be kissing that $8k mark. I never intended to go this far, just blew up as I went Now the motor I built won't take the power this setup is capable of producing, least not reliably All I can say is the little stuff ads up really quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camaro30eight View Post
    i have a camaro and i was wondering how much it could stand without messing up my car because its my daily. and how much it would cost for a good system.
    For a daily driver, and without messing it up, you could take about

    0Psi.

    If you rely on that car to get you back and forth to work, don't fuck with it. I hot rodded my DD and it left me sometimes in the garage till 3 or 4AM trying to get it running enough to get to work.

    If you want a hot rod, great! Make sure that you have a working DD before you make a project... Look down our list of fast turbo cars and I can assure you that not one is the sole car for that person. The reason is that when you push the bounds, the bound will mouth-fuck you when you least expect it. do you want that to be on the way to work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin View Post
    For a daily driver, and without messing it up, you could take about

    0Psi.

    If you rely on that car to get you back and forth to work, don't fuck with it. I hot rodded my DD and it left me sometimes in the garage till 3 or 4AM trying to get it running enough to get to work.

    If you want a hot rod, great! Make sure that you have a working DD before you make a project... Look down our list of fast turbo cars and I can assure you that not one is the sole car for that person. The reason is that when you push the bounds, the bound will mouth-fuck you when you least expect it. do you want that to be on the way to work?
    HEHEHEEEEEE! I know what you mean! I hot rodded my Firebird, and consistently messed stuff up to a point where I had to get another car. Sometimes I wish that it was a V8 and I would have more than enough power to be a highway stomper. I drove it today to work because my DD has a nasty fuel leak. I still don't have a complete exhaust system, but just a 3inch DP hanging out under the k-member. Talk about loud.... everyone knows when it is coming.

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    I had to do a fair amount of messing around when i first got my turbo system up and running. My system is based on pacesetter headers and the so-so under K design and the only major problems in the last year have been the collectors with that ball socket style hookup settling in and causing the bolts to loosen about 10 friggin times so far. And one misdesigned hanger keeps breaking the weld. Other than that, its been an absolutely trouble free 10k miles at 10 lbs boost street tune. I even drive it in the winter with sandbags in back and gotta say, the road de-icer HAMMERS all the pretty pipe work i did.
    If a guy wanted to lower his car, the under K design wouldn't be useable but stock ride height and some bone stock SS struts and springs is a thing of beauty! The springs perfectly offset the added weight and the stiffer dampening was the best mod ive ever done for handling and keeping the pipes from hitting. They might scrape once every few weeks driving but havent done any damage.

    The under K setup also keeps the cost of fab down and involves zero hack on any of the car but its not for everyone. A fabbed set of forward facing headers would definitely drive the price of a system up but for the money, what about a tubular K and keep the pacesetters? Maybe? Less under heat that way and no heater hose or A/C mods. You guys are probably correct that 3500 bucks might be a stretch with dyno time included but (and i know im gonna get some flak for this) does it really need dynoed? Ive never dynoed my car and went 12.27 with no problems. The price of a wideband is money better spent than dyno time (initially) becaue the gauge will be with the car forever and great for monitoring things on a daily basis.

    I honestly dont even have a wideband on my car and have tuned off the ridiculously inaccurate narrow bands which has left my tune much too rich WOT as i get a handle on what it wants. But its still alive with 137k miles. For a street tune at 10 lbs, i know i could build a kit and street tune it to run forever and keep the money in check. If any of you guys live near Washington state, il build you a system and keep it half ass affordable! I also have full access to a chassis dyno for 50 bucks and hour dyno rent plus my 40 bucks labor rate to do things right.

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