me vs a cobalt ss

[Dr. Channard]

:shrug: this things not that fast, i didnt give it all the way because i dont want a ticket but we were at a light and he reved at me so i stalled up and on green we took off, i pulled ahead of him off the light but then he started creeping and when i shut down at 45-50mph he was at my front fender. Then getting on the highway he decided he was gonna get in front of me on a 2 lane road that merges into 1 for the freeway so we both hit it at like 35mph and by the time the road ended we were still neck & neck so he stopped because i guess he realized i wasnt going to let him over. He still had dealer tags, maybe he jsut couldnt drive. I could tell if we went any faster he was going to start pulling hard because before the road ended i could tell my top end was lagging and he was getting read to pull ahead hard but lucky me i caught a break on that. oh well.

[Horsepower844182]

Are you sure it was a true SS? They have an appearence package that adds the SS emblems and I think includes the wing too. They only difference on the outside is a tiny emblem that says "Supercharged" on the back. If I were a SS owner I'd be pissed off that GM did that because people are going to start thinking SS's are slower than they really are. But maybe that's a good thing...

[Dr. Channard]

Are you sure it was a true SS? They have an appearence package that adds the SS emblems and I think includes the wing too. They only difference on the outside is a tiny emblem that says "Supercharged" on the back. If I were a SS owner I'd be pissed off that GM did that because people are going to start thinking SS's are slower than they really are. But maybe that's a good thing...

It said supercharged, i saw it when i rolled up to him at the light and when he passed me on the freeway. I was reading online that motor trend tested them at 14.7 stock 1/4 mile, so i guess with a bad driver i can hang with him.I dont know what my conv will run in the 1/4 but after it was a rental car and owned by the goverment its alot faster than it should be, not much but faster than alot of coupes with more mods than me. Im good at drag racing, im really good at launching so that helps me in the long run

[chadder]

bad driver. There are Cobalt SS's that keep up with SRT4's pretty well.

[WARLOCK]

ummm exuse me, my stock GTP ran neck and neck with a stock SRT4 up to 125mph. whats the point? my GTP = not fast, therefore SRT4 = not fast + COBALT SS = not fast.

[Horsepower844182]

A=B, B=C thus A=C lol

[dougsgtp]

ummm exuse me, my stock GTP ran neck and neck with a stock SRT4 up to 125mph. whats the point? my GTP = not fast, therefore SRT4 = not fast + COBALT SS = not fast.

do you really believe what you just babbled out of your mouth? Most srt-4's i see racing trap 99-103 stock. If you can get that car to hook thats 13's stock. My close friend went 13.8 at 102 bone stock on a 2.1 sixty foot. Most of the ones around here are 14.0 at 101 mph, they just spin and spin.

[Stew]

From one GTP owner to another..... that SRT-4 was either not racing or playing with you. Have a couple friends with them and they hit 14.0 and 13.9 respectively and the one that hit 14.0 hit 13.7 with just a CAI and radials........

[jason]

A=B, B=C thus A=C lol
are you sure??? I sware A=B, B=C but then A=F????? hmmm maybe your correct.

[RedFrk]

He probably couldnt drive. The driver can make a huge difference. Ex. I was driving my brothers 89 turbo grand prix one day when I pulled up to an SRT-4. He heard me coming and asked me some stupid questions. I said I will take you on the launch, but u will pull past me up top. Light turned green, he took me on the launch and I pulled past him up top until about 75. The car I was driving has a best ET of 15.0@93. I quickly relized he couldnt drive. ;)

[Sonny]

For sure it definitally depends on the driver... some poeple just cant drive... lol some poeple with really really nice cars shouldnt be driving them cuz they dont know how to!!!

[fastest94v6]

speakinggg of the devil.....coming home from a meeting i saw a gray srt 4 and a black talon.....i knew better and i was driving slow cuz the srt wuda and did shit on me.....so we get on to an open road with no cars and i gunned it to see if they wuda done nething....mannn that srt and the talon flew by me like i was an old lady or something....by the way the talon had a turbo, but there was something wrong with the talon....a exhaust leak or something....and the turbo had a weird sound too...but neways it depends on the driver

[Amagine]

yes theres a 170 hp appearence SS. The 200 hp SS/SC will have a feild day at stoplight launching agianst the SRT how ever it has no top end like the SRT's do. The SS/SC's have the SMALLEST eaton that they make, I don't care how efficent they say it is... it still barely boosts to 9 psi when your standing on the gas. I have friends that have Both. Both highly talented drivers so we pretty much ruled out anything that we could when we did our "test". Detuned the SRT by way of EBC/AFC to near stock levels then let er rip. Now by price range I it would be hella lot cheaper to get an SRT (while you can...next years the last o them) or get a base model LS coupe with the 2.2 and turbo it. Costs for that would end up being bout 3K cheaper than getting an SS model. How ever, IF or when the SS/SC's start dipping down into the SRT's price range (19-20K... not including incentives)... we noticed that the mods on the SS/SC should be fairly easy I would be highly suprised if a bigger Eaton doesn't just "bolt on" or that teams like intense or RK don't start offering over drive wheels and what not for the current SC.

[chadder]

yes theres a 170 hp appearence SS. The 200 hp SS/SC will have a feild day at stoplight launching agianst the SRT how ever it has no top end like the SRT's do. The SS/SC's have the SMALLEST eaton that they make, I don't care how efficent they say it is... it still barely boosts to 9 psi when your standing on the gas. I have friends that have Both. Both highly talented drivers so we pretty much ruled out anything that we could when we did our "test". Detuned the SRT by way of EBC/AFC to near stock levels then let er rip. Now by price range I it would be hella lot cheaper to get an SRT (while you can...next years the last o them) or get a base model LS coupe with the 2.2 and turbo it. Costs for that would end up being bout 3K cheaper than getting an SS model. How ever, IF or when the SS/SC's start dipping down into the SRT's price range (19-20K... not including incentives)... we noticed that the mods on the SS/SC should be fairly easy I would be highly suprised if a bigger Eaton doesn't just "bolt on" or that teams like intense or RK don't start offering over drive wheels and what not for the current SC.

saying the SS has no top end, is like saying we have no low end. That lil car can hit 150, thats good enough top end for me... They SHOULD be making 12lbs of boost, but many are seeing around 10-11 before the engine is completely broken in. It isnt a 'hell of a lot cheaper' to get an SRT, which by the way is out of production now, cause they both are in the low 20k price range. The 2.2 is a weak motor, the rods systematically and catastrophically fail at 280hp. The 2.0 can take alot more than that. There is a smaller Eaton than the m62, there is an m48 (i believe). The m62 was origionally made for large 4 bangers or small-medium sized v6's. Do some research buddy.

[Amagine]

Umm I do. The Smallest Eaton on a production car I meant to say. And the boost thing is from personal experince. Now As far as the price. wrong. Cobalts SS/SC's are retailing in the 23-24K not including incentives. The SRT's for this MY are 19-20K. Both from prices from local dealers. The 170 SS yes is about 20K or less. The 2.2 is the economy engine for the 'Balt's so yes its going to have cheap parts I even figured it in for new rods. Don't worry I'm one step ahead of you. If you look up most of the big ecotec boys are runnin the 2.2... not the 2.0. The 2.0 I'm highly suprised isn't making more power. My old SE-R 2.0 was making just shy of 280 on 9 lbs or less of boost. I didn't push it past that for fear of the tranny. As far as top end yes is fast, but it still won't top an SRT. The only thing that it does "Better than" the SRT's is take off. Thats because it doesn't have the damning traction problems that most SRT owners quickly find plaque the car. I like the SS/SC once the things get down to a reasonable price I might own one but for now...they just don't have anything that makes me go...WOW. And for the SRT's they have one more MY of production vs the Neon. Keep with the times bub.

[Amagine]

Just so that you see my math
12K LS Coupe base...lower if your figuring in trade.
1-2 K for stronger rods, lower compression pistons
3-4K for custom turbo kit, tuning and basic nick-naks
Total: 17-19K

Then you have almost 4-5k to play with and likely higher HP and TQ....

[GT Jon]

Your math is off. Where are you going to get tuning at for a platform that hasn't even been messed with yet? Likely you're going to need a custom A/F system to take over for the PCM and do it all by hand. Where's your cost for Labor? Do you have all the tools and equipment to do the work at home? Most people don't. Will the transmission that's mated to the non-SS be rated for the torque a well designed turbo will output? Unlikely. There's a few extra grand being dropped to beef it up, with no guarantees.

Why start with something that you have to invest a lot of time/money into just to get it "hopefully" into the same performance range as a Cobalt SS? I'd rather get a Cobalt SS, and turbo it from there. Much better and cheaper than doing it half-ass.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but reality is harsh, cold and scarring. Much like prison sex. :P

[chadder]

Umm I do. The Smallest Eaton on a production car I meant to say. And the boost thing is from personal experince. Now As far as the price. wrong. Cobalts SS/SC's are retailing in the 23-24K not including incentives. The SRT's for this MY are 19-20K. Both from prices from local dealers. The 170 SS yes is about 20K or less. The 2.2 is the economy engine for the 'Balt's so yes its going to have cheap parts I even figured it in for new rods. Don't worry I'm one step ahead of you. If you look up most of the big ecotec boys are runnin the 2.2... not the 2.0. The 2.0 I'm highly suprised isn't making more power. My old SE-R 2.0 was making just shy of 280 on 9 lbs or less of boost. I didn't push it past that for fear of the tranny. As far as top end yes is fast, but it still won't top an SRT. The only thing that it does "Better than" the SRT's is take off. Thats because it doesn't have the damning traction problems that most SRT owners quickly find plaque the car. I like the SS/SC once the things get down to a reasonable price I might own one but for now...they just don't have anything that makes me go...WOW. And for the SRT's they have one more MY of production vs the Neon. Keep with the times bub.

ok, to me, $3k isnt a 'hell of a lot cheaper'. It's more of 'a little cheaper' concerning a car. I know the racecar cobalt runs a built 2.2, but as far as reasonable potential with the stock longblock, and not having to blow a ton of cash into upgrading internals, the 2.0 wins hugely. The Cobalt SS has massive traction problems also. The best 60ft ive seen so far was a 2.1. As far as Car and Driver, Motor Trend, and Dodge are concerned, the last MY for the SRT 4 is 2005.