3rd gen Conversions????

[triple_l82]

I just reaqcuired my 91 firebird after trading it and a complete 3.8 motor/tranny setup to a buddy, he kept the 3.8 stuff and I got the car back,
well I talked about the swap in a thread below this but now I want to do something different....I have several choices

1. I found a 30 over 454 for 500 bucks....

2. I could build a 350 4bolt main, etc that I just received...

3. I have two 3.8 motors in the garage at home but both need to be rebuilt one has to be finished and neither have a harness, computer, etc.

4. I have a 3.4 that is on an engine stand being overhauled and it would be the most reasonable swap since the motor in the car is a carbed 60* but smaller.

5. This is a dare to be different swap.....I duramax diesel, I seen it done to a 72 chevelle and I absolutely loved it, but I don't know about a third gen. I think this would be cool.

I can't decide with all these options for a swap so I was hopeing you guys could help, I just want opinions of both sides of why I should do which.

Thanks.

[Merlin]

biodiesel gets my vote

[triple_l82]

Forget option 5. The cheapest duramax setup I could find is around starting around 3500 and going up. The cheap ones have to many miles for what I want and if I spend that much on the car then I need to be shot. I like option 1 but anyone could do that....I need to be different....

[Forced_Firebird]

3.4 with a 3500 top end in a 3rd gen sound really sexy for some reason...

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t87/forcedfirebird/Hybrid%20Build/100_3108.jpg
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http://www.myspacegeek.net/graphics/backgrounds/2/SMILE.jpg

[Forced_Firebird]

Could also beat me to the punch and put a full 3500 or 3900 in it :D

[Merlin]

3800. put a megasquirt on it and go to town with a turbo.

[triple_l82]

Mine looks like yours but white and has the ground effects on it.
No offense Force but this is a stripper car, someone removed all the elctronics and put a carb in its place. I can do carburators easily but fuel injection is a too complicated for me. I can do diesels as well but I can't find one the right size I need, dammit I so want to do the diesel too.

[triple_l82]

3800. put a megasquirt on it and go to town with a turbo.

If I did all of that......I could probably work out an older style 3.8 carbed motor faster. No offense guys but if I can't find a wiring harness, computer, etc then fuel injection is a no go. I don't even want to try megasquirt guys. I ain't 96vsbird or whatever he is called, I would like to do something different but my knowledge leads me back to the small block basics

[Forced_Firebird]

Mine looks like yours but white and has the ground effects on it.
No offense Force but this is a stripper car, someone removed all the elctronics and put a carb in its place. I can do carburators easily but fuel injection is a too complicated for me. I can do diesels as well but I can't find one the right size I need, dammit I so want to do the diesel too.
455 small block, then.

[triple_l82]

455 small block, then.

interesting, all pontiac.......never thought of that,

hey didn't pontiac make a 350 diesel motor back in the day? if so then I think I found my project if I could locate one.

[Forced_Firebird]

interesting, all pontiac.......never thought of that,

hey didn't pontiac make a 350 diesel motor back in the day? if so then I think I found my project if I could locate one.
It was junk. The Pontiac diesel was a converted small block and didn't last - doubt you'll find one, but you never know.

[Merlin]

slap a 8/71 on top of it all.

go big or go broke.

[triple_l82]

I have until I blow up the current engine, so maybe between now and then something will surface.

[badinfluenceRS]

I remember on 3rdgen.org someone swapped a 8.2l (500) caddy bb into a 3rd gen

that was pretty unique

[mofo123]

maybe a carbed 4.3 swap?

[Horsepower844182]

Maybe you should go for a cheaper diesel? I'd rather see that one done over all the rest, just because it's different.

[Grimm]

I saw the diesel inline 6 out of a buddy's 05 Ram 3500. A cummins? I dunno if the duramax's are smaller, but there's no way you could fit that in a 3rd gen. The damn fully assembled motor weighed over 1000lbs and sitting on a pallet came up to my chest. Not to mention he paid $7500 for it. :umm:

[Black_Ttop]

If I did all of that......I could probably work out an older style 3.8 carbed motor faster. No offense guys but if I can't find a wiring harness, computer, etc then fuel injection is a no go. I don't even want to try megasquirt guys. I ain't 96v6bird or whatever he is called, I would like to do something different but my knowledge leads me back to the small block basics

Fixed. :no:
And man, I wouldnt even ask what engine to put in your car on this forum cuzzz there gonna suggest a V6 and You want a carbed V6? Idk bout that...
SFI>Carb, Do a V8 if Your gonna go carb.

[Grimm]

If I did all of that......I could probably work out an older style 3.8 carbed motor faster. No offense guys but if I can't find a wiring harness, computer, etc then fuel injection is a no go. I don't even want to try megasquirt guys. I ain't 96vsbird or whatever he is called, I would like to do something different but my knowledge leads me back to the small block basics

In order to be different, you generally have to learn something new. :shrug: It's not like this car is your DD. You say you aren't good with fuel injection. Use this project as an opportunity to learn. It's really fairly simple anyway.

[triple_l82]

I saw the diesel inline 6 out of a buddy's 05 Ram 3500. A cummins? I dunno if the duramax's are smaller, but there's no way you could fit that in a 3rd gen. The damn fully assembled motor weighed over 1000lbs and sitting on a pallet came up to my chest. Not to mention he paid $7500 for it. :umm:

That is why I backed away.


In order to be different, you generally have to learn something new. :shrug: It's not like this car is your DD. You say you aren't good with fuel injection. Use this project as an opportunity to learn. It's really fairly simple anyway.

Lets put it this way....I can make a small block chevy run with two switches and like 3 wires. Fuel Injection....trust me I could fuck it up in aheart beat.

I am still searching for that different setup. I have a third gen camaro that is half of a dirt car but not capable of anything else since we moved the firewall back 6 inches and completely gutted the engine bay, that would be a perfect thing ofr the diesel but its not anywhere to near a streetlegal car.:(

Anymore engine suggestions...?

[Black_Ttop]

How bout a 210hp type-r integra engine? :P
I say go with a V8 if your gonna carb it.

[triple_l82]

How bout a 210hp type-r integra engine? :P
I say go with a V8 if your gonna carb it.

Well I do have a 377, 406, a 434, and another 350 that I could put into it, but all of them besides the 350 would need new cranks because the clearances are different for a street motor rather than a cirlce track race engine like those. Plus they make to much damn power......rear end wouldn't make it out of the driveway. A diesel would be the same on torque side but It is different, way different. I am still researching diesels that gm made over the years and I am thinking about an 8.2l detriot that came in the C70 bobtrucks, etc. It was roughly the same size as the big blocks but I cant find measurements to varify it. We had one on the farm along time ago and that thing was stout.

Any other ideas....a 2.5 4 cylinder came in these cars in 84-86 I beleive...one of those is different but stupid, I want to stay with gm motors so I am limited.

[Not A V8]

*cough* LSx *cough*

[Merlin]

twin engine.

two iron dukes.

[Forced_Firebird]

*cough* LSx *cough*
I was shopping for an LSx when I got my car, now suddenly I'm bulding performance parts for V6's a year later,lol.


Iron duke turbo, :rofl:

[triple_l82]

*cough* LSx *cough*

its crossed my mind, but I don't plan on keeping the car because I know I will sell it later or trade it off again.

[triple_l82]

I was shopping for an LSx when I got my car, now suddenly I'm bulding performance parts for V6's a year later,lol.


Iron duke turbo, :rofl:

Seriously I thought about that. Totaly different.

[Forced_Firebird]

How about a 3500 with 6 Webber carbs on top?

http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t87/forcedfirebird/Hybrid%20Build/?action=view&current=100_3107.jpg

That would be the shiznit.

[triple_l82]

How about a 3500 with 6 Webber carbs on top?

http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t87/forcedfirebird/Hybrid%20Build/?action=view&current=100_3107.jpg

That would be the shiznit.

I have got, after seeing that picture......FUCKING HILBORN FUEL INJECTION. I have the setup too but for a v8. I know they make them for the 60* cause I have seen it on the midget race cars. How the hell did I forget about Hilborn fuel Injection.

Oh by the way...Hilborn fuel injection is not like regular fuel injection with a computer. It works off of the demand of the engine. So much more better, no computers. I need to go talk to one of my sprint car freinds and see the two different setups for the injector locations. God thanks Force_Firebird, you made me remember what I wanted to do in the first place.

[Forced_Firebird]

Do they make it for the iron or aluminum heads? The parts aren't interchangeable between the two top ends.

If an adapter plate was made on top of the 3500 intake, it would be an fairly easy fabrication.

you better go through with this. I would love to see a six-pack on top of a 60*

[Forced_Firebird]

hilborninjection.com/product.asp?Id=45&CatId=36

[triple_l82]

hilborninjection.com/product.asp?Id=45&CatId=36

http://hilborninjection.com/tech_elect_manifold_street.asp
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dammit and I have everything but an intake manifold. i have a pump (porbably too much since it supports 900+ horses), drive gear, complete setup for a sbc but it wouldn't take much to convert to a 60*. God I wish it would have been streetable.

But after I seen that john, I was looking again and typed just chevy v6 engines in the google bar and came across this.

http://www.6066gmcguy.org/305V6.htm

:thinking: now could that work. A big block v6 hmmmm. its a big block and its a v6, interesting.

Forgot to mention.....Its a 60* too, what are the odds.

[Pony Exp.305]

Nice motor you built...:thumbsup:

How about a 3500 with 6 Webber carbs on top?

http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t87/forcedfirebird/Hybrid%20Build/?action=view&current=100_3107.jpg

That would be the shiznit.

[Jore Knight]

back on the thirgen forums there was a guy who shoehorned a diesel in a camaro, he was planning on making a chasis for the thing because the vibrations were nearly destroying the unibody

[MusicMan]

I think a straight six is the way to go :P I saw one in a 3rd gen salt flat car at bonneville, I had a hard time not staring at it, looked really good in there.

edit: holy crap this thread is old, n/m