gm crate engines

[ac99camarov6]

looking to convert my 99 v6 camaro to a v8 with a crate engine. looking to spend $3000 or under (minus tranmission) any suggestions? also where would be a good place (excluding ebay) to look for a used ls1? unfortunatly i need the car to also pass emmisions testing every two years.

[Rotorocious]

www.car-parts.com

[FloydSummerOf68]

looking to convert my 99 v6 camaro to a v8 with a crate engine. looking to spend $3000 or under (minus tranmission) any suggestions? also where would be a good place (excluding ebay) to look for a used ls1? unfortunatly i need the car to also pass emmisions testing every two years.

TA Creations is the best place to go about V6-LS1 swaps.

However...when it's all said and done, a swap for 3000 is gonna be pretty hard to do.

[Grimm]

^^^
yup

I'd say by the time it's all said and done, the cost would be closer to $6k.

[FloydSummerOf68]

Well he DID say minus transmission...but I still dont think it would be done for 3k

[Grimm]

How could he minus transmission? v6 won't bolt up to an LS1. :thinking:

[FloydSummerOf68]

I dont think he meant for the swap...I think he was just looking for an engine at the moment...I dunno.

If thats NOT what he meant...then yeah, like he said, you have to get a new transmission to make it work.

[ac99camarov6]

yea i meant the cost of the engine alone and would buy a transmission at a later date as well as the other components of the swap

[Grimm]

Yeah you could probably get an LS1 for that price then...though I still don't thing it's worth the effort IMO. You'll still end up paying LS1 insurance...so just go buy an LS1. Much less headache.

[evile1003]

i dont know about him.. but i know if i were to want a v8 then i would swap instead of buy... mainly just because ive put so much work into the appearence of my car,...new car id have to do it all over.

[FloydSummerOf68]

I've said it many times...it is ONLY worth it to swap if you've done all of the appearance and all of the suspension mods.

A swap is 5-6K if you do it yourself and a lot of downtime if you dont know exactly what you're doing.

[Crispy]

Yeah you could probably get an LS1 for that price then...though I still don't thing it's worth the effort IMO. You'll still end up paying LS1 insurance...so just go buy an LS1. Much less headache.

Hows that? Fomy's and T/A's have a higher premium. I know with the initial costs of the swap compared to higher insurance rates buyin the LS1 VIN'd car is cheaper but after years of paying hundreds to over a thousand dollars (in NYC) in insurance the cost of the swap starts to go down.

[ac99camarov6]

yup that true

[Grimm]

Hows that? Fomy's and T/A's have a higher premium. I know with the initial costs of the swap compared to higher insurance rates buyin the LS1 VIN'd car is cheaper but after years of paying hundreds to over a thousand dollars (in NYC) in insurance the cost of the swap starts to go down.

I should have phrased it differently. You'll pay v6 prices..but if you ever have to make a claim and they find out that you've swapped the engine out for something else...a lot of times they will give you shit about covering you. So you choices become either take the risk of never getting in a accident, or telling them about the swap and paying the higher premium.

[ac99camarov6]

thats true also, good point

[FloydSummerOf68]

If you do the swap, do yourself a favor and tell them and pay V8 insurance...dont think you're getting by with a V8 on V6 insurance.

[user1101]

If you do the swap, do yourself a favor and tell them and pay V8 insurance...dont think you're getting by with a V8 on V6 insurance.

I'm not sure that's how it works. I've heard multiple individuals ask for quotes if they were to do a V6 to V8 swap. All of the insurers didn't care... just cared about the engine code in the VIN.

V6 VIN ==> V6 insurance.

[FloydSummerOf68]

Thats odd...I've never heard that.
I'll have to look into it sometime.

[evile1003]

ill add this though.. when u reck your car and the engines messed up, and they go to fix it you think thell pay extra for v8 parts? nope theyll give u a v6 engine..

[Rotorocious]

ill add this though.. when u reck your car and the engines messed up, and they go to fix it you think thell pay extra for v8 parts? nope theyll give u a v6 engine..no shit? most of the time you would have totaled the car anyway.

[KrisXpc]

no shit? most of the time you would have totaled the car anyway.


hahaha, thank you this made my day..

[car audio dave]

why spend the money to get an LS1 when you cna get an LS2 or better? is the cost THAT prohibitive?

if you want a brand new motor then check out gmpartsdirect.com but youll need the GM part number.

[FlyinGTP]

why spend the money to get an LS1 when you cna get an LS2 or better? is the cost THAT prohibitive?

if you want a brand new motor then check out gmpartsdirect.com but youll need the GM part number.

ls2's are still real expensive. They also aren't that much better. they use 243 heads from the z06 and have a zo6 spec cam in it. But other then that its a alumin 6.0. It does have some oiling system upgrades and a few other block type upgrades. but overall what works with a ls1 works just as well with a ls2. The real benifit is if you decide to run a nonstock cube setup. if you want a 408 alumin stroker without resleveing then a ls2 is your choice. At that point an ls1 will need to be resleeved. and to say the least resleeving seem's to be a question mark point in the ls1 world as the a good portion of the resleeved motors tend to have issues.

all in all if you take a ls2 and then take an ls1 and install the same zo6 spec cam and heads(243) on it basicly making it an ls6 the power output of the engine is gonna be very very close. So at this point its however much you want to spend. if you staying under 400 cubes.

[KrisXpc]

ls2's are still real expensive. They also aren't that much better. they use 243 heads from the z06 and have a zo6 spec cam in it. But other then that its a alumin 6.0. It does have some oiling system upgrades and a few other block type upgrades. but overall what works with a ls1 works just as well with a ls2. The real benifit is if you decide to run a nonstock cube setup. if you want a 408 alumin stroker without resleveing then a ls2 is your choice. At that point an ls1 will need to be resleeved. and to say the least resleeving seem's to be a question mark point in the ls1 world as the a good portion of the resleeved motors tend to have issues.

all in all if you take a ls2 and then take an ls1 and install the same zo6 spec cam and heads(243) on it basicly making it an ls6 the power output of the engine is gonna be very very close. So at this point its however much you want to spend. if you staying under 400 cubes.

:bang: Someone reads up on the ls1..

[FlyinGTP]

:bang: Someone reads up on the ls1..

Something like that. I like to know about the cars i have/had.

I have an 04 gto currently and i had a 00 trans am for three year that i sold two years ago. both were/are blue.

[TurboV6Camaro]

I should have phrased it differently. You'll pay v6 prices..but if you ever have to make a claim and they find out that you've swapped the engine out for something else...a lot of times they will give you shit about covering you. So you choices become either take the risk of never getting in a accident, or telling them about the swap and paying the higher premium.they can also slap insurance fruad on your ass witch is a federal offense,

so i would tell them about the swap if i was you

[2fast]

if you staying under 400 cubes.
what are the options for going over 400 cubes? Only in my wet dreams.
edit: and what is the resleaving? Is that only a aluminum block thing?

[1LoudCamaro]

I called my insurance company to get the down-low on aftermarket parts and engine swaps. They said that no matter what i do to the car, it is covered. I have State Farm insurance, so you others may want to look into whether or not your aftermarket stuff is protected. They said as long as i have proof of purchase of anything installed in my car that gets damaged/stolen, they will cover it.

Just FYI ;)

[Zerstorung]

Was he looking for an LS1 in particular? There are alot of different GM Crate engines out there, lol... :shrug:

[chadder]

LS1= Best small block ever. Why would you look at anything else?

[FlyinGTP]

Zerstorung that avitar is flipping great!

[FunkZ]

Check your local emissions laws. IF you are permitted to put a different engine in the car than what came stock you may have to be able to provide documentation about what year car the motor came from. CA in particular is pretty strict about this. At the very least you would most likely have to run an engine of at least your model year or newer and have all the emissions hardware in place.

As for insurance, they do not care what you have done to the car, however keep in mind you will not get your money back from the swap. If your V6 car books at $5k and you put $5k into an engine swap, then you total it, they're probably only going to cover you for the $5k book.